2002 TF 135 headlamp anomoly.

  • TA22GT
  • Offline Topic Author
  • Senior MGer
  • Senior MGer
    Site Supporter
  • Posts: 1962
  • Thanks: 484

2002 TF 135 headlamp anomoly. was created by TA22GT

Posted 1 year 6 months ago #210420
Fitted two H7 Nightbreaker bulbs to dipped beam a few weeks ago. They improved the lights so I bought two more for main beam.
OSF fitted easily and quickly.
NSF had a completely different bulb, plug and holder in the main beam slot. Dipped beam next to it is a std H7.
Do you think someone has replaced the NSF headlamp unit with one from a different model year?
I'm not happy...not happy at all. 
by TA22GT

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Replied by Roverlike on topic 2002 TF 135 headlamp anomoly.

Posted 1 year 6 months ago #210421
I am sorry to ask but are you sure that you changed main beam bulb on your OSF headlamp with H7 and not again dipped beam bulb?

For main beam bulb you should have HB3A bulbs as per picture and for dipped beam bulbs you should have H7 bulbs.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • TA22GT
  • Offline Topic Author
  • Senior MGer
  • Senior MGer
    Site Supporter
  • Posts: 1962
  • Thanks: 484

Replied by TA22GT on topic 2002 TF 135 headlamp anomoly.

Posted 1 year 6 months ago #210422
No problem asking at all!
Yes both bulbs on the OSF are H7's  and both clip in with the metal spring retainer as most headlamp units.
Only that bulb in that slot is different.
Thanks for replying.
Edit:  OSF both bulb plugs are the same..the bigger square connectors...there is no plastic base for the HB3 to lock in to..just the spring clip.
It was obviously the OSF bulb I checked to see what type I needed because it was the easiest to access not thinking the other would be different. I must have a replacement OSF headlamp unit at a guess.
 
Last Edit:1 year 6 months ago by TA22GT
Last edit: 1 year 6 months ago by TA22GT.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Replied by Notanumber on topic 2002 TF 135 headlamp anomoly.

Posted 1 year 6 months ago #210423
It sounds to me that the NS headlamp is standard and unmodified, having its 2 different types of bulbs but that someone has changed your OS to use H7s for both beams, possibly because of a damaged headlamp wiring loom. I'm also wondering whether this might have been standard for the Chinese built cars hence this may just be a later headlamp.

2003 MG TF 135 sunstorm

1979 MGB GT

Previously:
2002 115 TF + 1998 118 MG F

The following user(s) said Thank You: TA22GT

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • TA22GT
  • Offline Topic Author
  • Senior MGer
  • Senior MGer
    Site Supporter
  • Posts: 1962
  • Thanks: 484

Replied by TA22GT on topic 2002 TF 135 headlamp anomoly.

Posted 1 year 6 months ago #210424

It sounds to me that the NS headlamp is standard and unmodified, having its 2 different types of bulbs but that someone has changed your OS to use H7s for both beams, possibly because of a damaged headlamp wiring loom. I'm also wondering whether this might have been standard for the Chinese built cars hence this may just be a later headlamp.

Thank you.
I will check the loom and plug to see if it has been modified in daylight.
The thing is I have 3 bulbs that are "200%" brighter and one std bulb. 
I need to return the H7 from Halfords but they only have 100% brighter HB3's.
 
by TA22GT

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • TA22GT
  • Offline Topic Author
  • Senior MGer
  • Senior MGer
    Site Supporter
  • Posts: 1962
  • Thanks: 484

Replied by TA22GT on topic 2002 TF 135 headlamp anomoly.

Posted 1 year 6 months ago #210425
It would appear I have two different headlamp units as has been said by @Notanumber
I have checked the loom at the OSF unit and it is unmolested so I assume the main beam plug comes with the unit and is piggybacked..hence the square plug.
I also assume from the markings that it is a Chinese unit but confirming they have two H7's is proving difficult.
OSF with E marking.
 

NSF with E markings..
 

NSF  showing covers..
 
Last Edit:1 year 6 months ago by TA22GT
Last edit: 1 year 6 months ago by TA22GT.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Replied by Airportable on topic 2002 TF 135 headlamp anomoly.

Posted 1 year 6 months ago #210426
I would be looking for the “clock” moulded into the plastic, there should be one & that will give you all the day month & year of manufacturing information.
There won’t be many of our cars with all the parts contemporary with the next.
The first question asked by a motor factor, these days, is your registration number; for my car this question is practically meaningless.
The brakes & steering are none standard & that is just the start, the next owner along will end up with a pile of parts which won’t fit.
What is your next move? As always the best plan is the most expensive, that is a replacement lamp unit to match your Nightbreaker.
M

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • TA22GT
  • Offline Topic Author
  • Senior MGer
  • Senior MGer
    Site Supporter
  • Posts: 1962
  • Thanks: 484

Replied by TA22GT on topic 2002 TF 135 headlamp anomoly.

Posted 1 year 6 months ago #210427
Thanks for the "clock" tip I will look next time I fiddle about.
I like things right so I may replace the OSF with the correct one. It looks like a s/h unit anyway because the original NSF one looks unscratched or touched.
Also the OSF is the one that constantly mists up!
I went for a drive last night and couldn't really see anything odd.
H7's are 55w and the H3 is 60w..but as the H7 is a "200%"  bulb it probably balances out.
by TA22GT

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • TA22GT
  • Offline Topic Author
  • Senior MGer
  • Senior MGer
    Site Supporter
  • Posts: 1962
  • Thanks: 484

Replied by TA22GT on topic 2002 TF 135 headlamp anomoly.

Posted 1 year 6 months ago #210428
Incidentally..
Whilst messing with the lights I also fitted a pair of Pioneer Ts-G670 door speakers.
A perfect fit for the original plastic speaker holders. Drilled out the four rivets holding the original speakers to the holder and screwed the new ones in place. Left the original door card speaker grilles.
Much improved sound.
Just rear T-Bar ones to replace now.
by TA22GT

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Replied by Roverlike on topic 2002 TF 135 headlamp anomoly.

Posted 1 year 6 months ago #210429
Interestingly your NSF headlamp has E1 type approval (Germany), while your OSF headlamp has E9 type approval (Spain). To me your OSF headlamp more and more looks like pattern replacement headlamp.
The following user(s) said Thank You: TA22GT

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • TA22GT
  • Offline Topic Author
  • Senior MGer
  • Senior MGer
    Site Supporter
  • Posts: 1962
  • Thanks: 484

Replied by TA22GT on topic 2002 TF 135 headlamp anomoly.

Posted 1 year 6 months ago #210430
Thank you Roverlike...yes it's definitely the OSF that is the odd one..and the HRC mark..republic of China..makes sense that a pattern part would come from there due to MG Motor group.
by TA22GT

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • Cobber
  • Offline
  • Moderator
  • Moderator
    Registered
  • '97 MGF 1.8 MPI
  • Posts: 4449
  • Thanks: 1691

Replied by Cobber on topic 2002 TF 135 headlamp anomoly.

Posted 1 year 6 months ago #210431

The first question asked by a motor factor, these days, is your registration number; for my car this question is practically meaningless.



 
This question is meaningless nonsense for any car built before last Tuesday, 
It's based on an absurd notion that all cars are exactly the same as the day they rolled of the production line. it also assumes the specification information provided to the registration authorities is correct and the specification from the part manufacturer (probably some aftermarket outfit in China with appalling Chinglish translation) is correct!
Which will explain way a second trip to return parts that don't fit, is usually required.
I usually prefer to take the dead part with me and drop it on the counter, when the 12 year old counter jumper asks the inevitable stupid question, I tell them "If it doesn't look like this, I don't bloody well want it!"
Counter jumpers that know me, know better than to ask me this stupid nonsense, but these days finding the same joker behind the counter is increasingly rare due to the high staff turnover in these places, no doubt due to the exploitive crap wages and conditions on offer by the tight arse retail giants that control the industry. Not to mention the spectre of having to deal will grumpy old bastards like me who know that these idiots will try to to pass of their ignorance as expertise!
 

"Keep calm, relax, focus on the problem & PULL THE BLOODY TRIGGER"

Last Edit:1 year 6 months ago by Cobber
Last edit: 1 year 6 months ago by Cobber.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Time to create page: 2.020 seconds