Checking radiator cooling fan

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Posted 1 year 7 months ago #210120
Thanks Roverlike, I was searching high & low for the yellow relay.........mine has AC!
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Posted 1 year 7 months ago #210121
All Oz spec cars have AC, which is why I made the suggestions I did.

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Posted 1 year 7 months ago #210122

It does apply to MG F and mk1 MG TF (Lucas type fob) but only in case you do not have aircon fitted. It does not apply to mk2 MG TF (Pektron fob type).

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Thanks Damir,
I will amend my post to reflect that...
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Posted 1 year 6 months ago #210220
OK. Thanks for the guidance, process of elimination indicates the ECM isn't activating the fan which otherwise does run.
I think I heard somewhere that there are exchange services offered by some firms - is this correct and if so, where to go? Anywhere here in Oz (Cobber?)
It's a Mk1 TF with square fob, Lucas.
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Posted 1 year 6 months ago #210221
Not in Oz that I'm aware of.
I wouldn't think it too difficult for an electronics geek to fix.
On my Triumph TR7 it had a little box of tricks made by Pektron, what it did was control the pop up headlights with a delay timer so the lights would momentarily stay up so as the lights could be flashed. It had shat itself so I got a geek mate to crack it open and he replaced all the crap soldered to the circuit board but the chip.....Sorted!
I ended up not using it anyway as I ended up discreetly fitting the car with both fog and driving lights, under the front bumper, it made more sense to use the driving lights for flashing purposes (saves the pop up mechanism for unnecessary ware and tear)

 

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Posted 1 year 6 months ago #210230
If in doubt you could always create your own fan control circuit using one of theses and a simple relay. in line temp switch

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Posted 1 year 6 months ago #210749
I'm still chasing this overheating issue so further suggestions will be appreciated.
Reminder: MG TF 2002 135 with air. Getting near max temp (almost to the 4/4 point) in stop-start traffic, returns to normal temp quickly when moving. The engine bay fan activates when the car is hot therefor temperature sensor seems to be working.
So, as suggested, the engine fan has been checked and found to work fine when hit with 12 volts, so can now assume it is not getting a signal to turn on as coolant level rises. 
I've now found that the AC isn't working although the refrigerant level is fine and the AC guy suggests it is unlikely that the compressor is faulty, thus suspects it's not getting the appropriate signal to turn on. (The idea was to turn on the air to activate the AC fan thus cooling the radiator, at least until a solution to possible ECU fault can be found.)
Also, I have learnt that the relay sitting between the fuse box and the 70 amp fuse under the front bonnet operates the cooling fans. My question now is, does this relay also operate the AC switching? If so, could it be the relay at fault and not the ECU? Guess I'm looking/hoping for a cause other than the ECU - I've been in communication with Bitz and they don't have the appropriate ECU set as the air-conditioned models there in the UK are rare.
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Posted 1 year 6 months ago #210750
One relay operates only one fan. However since you have AC, at place you mentioned you do not have one yellow relay but black box of 4 relays pack together as you can see in this thread:  https://www.the-t-bar.com/forum/roverlike-s-guides/97846-mg-f-tf-fuse-relay-listing  part number YWB100801. In that box you have both relays which operates cooling fan and AC fan.
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Posted 1 year 6 months ago #210751
Brilliant, thanks Roverlike. 
The info you provided includes Additional Relays and the relay I was wondering about is an 'Air Conditioning Pack Relay Module" which controls the radiator fans + the AC compressor clutch, the items which have failed. 
I imagine the relay will be easier to find either new or second hand and will certainly be easier to fit and less worrisome than the ECU sets.
I'm very grateful. 
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Posted 1 year 6 months ago #210752
If that relay pack has failed, and one can’t be found to replace it. It might be possible to install separate stand alone relays to replace the pack, it would involve studying the wiring of the pack and replicating it to serve the stand alone relays so as everything works as it should. You would only go to this trouble if you couldn’t find a replacement relays pack.

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Posted 1 year 5 months ago #210827
One way of testing the Fans and ECU is to remove the temperature sensor and connect it to the loom and use a hot air gun on it until it reaches the trigger temperature. I did this on my Freelander L series.
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Posted 1 year 5 months ago #210902
Plug in a suitable OBD reader (www.pscan.uk for an early car, any OBD2 for a later car) and see what temp the ECU is seeing.
the fan should come on at around 96'.
It should never get above 110..

Also unplug the coolant temp sensor and the ECU should run the radiator fan.

If the dash gauge goes over half way the engine is overheating.


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