Heater hoses

Replied by Delbourt on topic Heater hoses

Posted 1 year 7 months ago #210011
This is the bit that would be needed, i.e. the bit that inserts into the 4 way connector.
Any ideas please (other than find a machine shop to turn one up).
 
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Replied by judiths handyman on topic Heater hoses

Posted 1 year 7 months ago #210012
I have over the years supplied many different types of hoseclamps. The Jubilee in its day was revolutionary, but its very design means it never tightens in a concentric manner. There is always a little bit of tube that is not clamped sufficiently. Cobber is quite right to identify the "super clamp" as a better alternative.
In industrial applications where the clamps do not have to be removed regularly, eared clamps are used, the type with a double ear that is permanently crimped with a pair of wide jawed snips or pliers. They of course can only be removed with a junior hacksaw, so only ideal where access is not an issue and regular removal is not required.

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Replied by Cobber on topic Heater hoses

Posted 1 year 7 months ago #210013
Yes those eared clamp are what we use in industry on the operators pneumatic retracting air hose reels, because you cant tell the knuckle heads not to pull the hose out by only gripping the air gun, thereby putting all the load on the hose joint, instead of gripping the hose to draw it out of the reel and drag it about!  They never listen as they are the fonts of all knowledge and wisdom, which of course explains why they are paid much less than us!
We find these types of clamp hold well due to their permanent crimped nature.
There are both double and "van Gough" single eared versions


 
you need special crimping pliers to crimp them and these come in single jawed
 
and double jawed with  side jaws for  space restriced applications
 
There are also pneumatic are crimping tools available.
 

To remove these clamps we either grab them by the ear with a set of wire cutters and twist to open them up or cut the ear through with a small set of bolt cutter type pliers at the eye of the crimp, I've also seen angle griners used to remove the but this usually damages the hose!

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Replied by judiths handyman on topic Heater hoses

Posted 1 year 7 months ago #210032
Yep, thats the beasties alright. As part of my working lot in life I used to search for compressed air leaks on customers premises, using ultrasonic hand held leak detectors.
The intention being to save money on compressor costs.
It worked and saved thousands p.a. for some.
But the one item I could just about guarantee would leak was the humble jubilee clip.
On the treatment of equipment on site by the heavy handed, that kept me in spares business.

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Replied by judiths handyman on topic Heater hoses

Posted 1 year 7 months ago #210034
I wonder if a short length of copper pipe of the pre requisite bore and od would suffice ?
it would bottom out perhaps (as it is slid in) on the inner wall of the cross piece, or a transition fit, tapped in with a toffee hammer ?

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Replied by mowog73 on topic Heater hoses

Posted 1 year 7 months ago #210035
I replaced the hoses to the heater matrix on both of our Fs just over a year ago and posted some information about the job here. There was also an article about the job in a recent issue of FasTForward and MG Driver. A copy of the article can be found here: https://mg-stuff.stlbrits.com/kb/mgf-heater-hoses-pipes-replacement/

The replacement of the hoses through the blanking plate can be done from under the car, but you have to start inside the car as the new hoses get attached to the heater pipe and then pushed through to the rubber blanking plate.

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Replied by Delbourt on topic Heater hoses

Posted 1 year 7 months ago #210036
Indeed I had been reviewing this potential job and had come to the conclusion that it might be possible to release the heater hoses from within the car but that is not a 5 minute job and with limited working space possibly better done in summer when there is potentially less chance of poor weather and more outside dry storage and working space.
But thank you for the suggestion it confirms the possible option.

As I gazed into the area beneath the coolant expansion tank it became very clear that access to the area around the thermostat is “limited” if not restricted. I have read the “how to’s” on servicing the thermostat and marvel at how anyone can get access to that area without. Removing the inlet tract which would be a whole new ball-game if that lot has to come off.

So my thinking is that I might just renew the bits I can get to and hope until the HGF fails which it may well do in due course.
My suspicion is that if I disturb one joint around the water rail associated with the stat one of the others is likely to leak and who knows what corrosion has taken place where the stat connects to the engine or at the hard metal pipe ends.
Can anyone offer experience in any of these areas please?

 
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Replied by D4KGP on topic Heater hoses

Posted 1 year 7 months ago #210037
I don't know what inlet manifold is on a 135, but I replaced the stat on my 97F using a working combination of above and under the motor. It's very awkward but do able with patience and determination both of which are necessary when working on these cars. The job will be much harder if the 135 has an oil cooler!!
Good luck with whatever you decide to do. Glyn.
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