Vibrating Instrument binnacle cure

Replied by deepfat on topic Vibrating Instrument binnacle cure

Posted 2 years 2 weeks ago #207381
I did mine over 2 years ago and I've been to sleep since so the details are fuzzy, as mentioned to do it as OE it's a dash out job so no go. I used metal reinforcing plates from the local hardware shop bent to fit the curvature of the binnacle and then fit to the dash panel underneath these were then 2 packed to the binnacle. To locate the plates to the dash panel I put the binnacle in place and marked the holes, drilled (carefully) the dash panel and used those screw in plasterboard/dry wall fixings (2 packed in again) the mounting screws then go into these.
I used the plates because the holes allow the 2 pack to squeeze thru and make a good bond with the binnacle but cleaning and keying is also important. 
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Replied by Goodwood on topic Vibrating Instrument binnacle cure

Posted 2 years 2 weeks ago #207417
These seems to be a very typical problem. While I have been fortunate so far not to have it - but have read about how difficult it is to repair - would it not be possible to simply remove the instruments and then put a thick amount of silicone glue all around the inside edge of the binnacle where it contacts the dash? Regular glue would not hold (it cracks off the plastic after a while) but my experience is that silicone has sufficient 'flex' to work well. Has anyone ever tried this solution?

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Replied by Notanumber on topic Vibrating Instrument binnacle cure

Posted 2 years 2 weeks ago #207418
It could work. I think maybe the only reason silicone has not been the go to fix could be concern about the messiness of silicone, applying it thickly enough to provide strong adhesion whilst leaving only a very small and clean visible join.
To avoid a distracting reflection in the windscreen It would need to be in a neutral colour and not to be shiny ; a lesson learned from my first attempt, white plastic U channel edging was swiftly removed and replaced by more discrete black edging.

There is a practical advantage in having the binnacle relatively easily removable as it can make changing the dash bulbs less fiddly

2003 MG TF 135 sunstorm

1979 MGB GT

Previously:
2002 115 TF + 1998 118 MG F

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Replied by Airportable on topic Vibrating Instrument binnacle cure

Posted 2 years 2 weeks ago #207421
I’ve said on a number of occasions that had I found a replacement shroud with the fixings intact you would all be the first people to hear about it & if no one made me an exaggerated offer for it I would ceremoniously remove them.
Taking the instrument cluster out isn’t a regular process but when it’s required you want it to be straightforward, how you’re supposed to undo the connectors with the shroud in place is a mystery. Older & less prehensile hands make this hard enough as things stand, calling for a grand child to help would be the only option it those fixings remained.
M

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Replied by Delbourt on topic Vibrating Instrument binnacle cure

Posted 2 years 2 weeks ago #207423
Made some progress today and have the binacle off and in the process of doing that one of the white nylon securing blocks dropped out of place (the thin bridge of plastic had been lost in the passage of time). Can I find it can I heck. It dropped out and presumably into the area around the fuse panel.
This is one of the blocks that locate around the rim nearest the driver and accept the final securing screws.
They are about 6 to 8mm square roughly.
Anyone know of a source for these please? Rimmers don't appear to stock them.

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Replied by Airportable on topic Vibrating Instrument binnacle cure

Posted 2 years 2 weeks ago #207433
I replaced all of those nylon inserts with rivnuts epoxied in. The original design was poor & the assembly poorly executed , there is insufficient material around those inserts to adequately resist the turning moment of a self tapping screw when initially assembled, thus the frame is weakened from the start.
Fitting rivnuts reenforces the framework & allows you to reassemble without the original fitting dictating the torque required to tighten; that remains firmly in your hands. The machine screw you are now using is totally under control.
M

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Replied by Notanumber on topic Vibrating Instrument binnacle cure

Posted 2 years 2 weeks ago #207455
+1 for the reliance on the expanding inserts being a poor design. On both of mine they had caused the front rim of the binnacle to crack. On my current TF I reinforced the plastic rim with some short length of metal  , bitsI had left over from fitting a car stereo ( looks pretty much like strips of meccano ).

If you do need the inserts though then Darren at Bitz has some 2nd hand ones

2003 MG TF 135 sunstorm

1979 MGB GT

Previously:
2002 115 TF + 1998 118 MG F

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Replied by Delbourt on topic Vibrating Instrument binnacle cure

Posted 2 years 2 weeks ago #207458
Thank you all for the suggestions. After a good sleep and refreshed I had another look with sunlight shining from a slightly different angle and found the thing.
I’m waiting for some suitable 2 pack glue to arrive and will bond them in for now.
Rivnuts sound a good idea but you do need the tool to pull to form the clinch.

Now, how in the name of what’s his name do you part the top half of the steering wheel nacelle from the bottom?
Which half has to be squeezed to release it from the other half?
Can anyone help with that.?
It is now obvious that you need that top half removing to give enough room to withdraw the instrument panel surround away from the instruments so that it disengages from the clips at the bottom of the instrument covering clear face.

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Replied by Airportable on topic Vibrating Instrument binnacle cure

Posted 2 years 2 weeks ago #207463
Don’t bother with the rivnut tool, you’ll be right out of the frying pan, use your two pack epoxy. I had some square polypropylene rod, slightly oversized, which I chucked in the lathe & bored out to take the rivnut & filed to fit but most folk won’t have that luxury + I’m a dick when it comes to stuff like that; chose the most complicated method.
You can easily glue in the ‘nuts but do make sure they align.
M

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Replied by Airportable on topic Vibrating Instrument binnacle cure

Posted 2 years 2 weeks ago #207464
Oh & the nacelles (nice use of the correct terminology), just worry the buggers until they come apart. You have gravity on your side when they are coming off, wait until you’re putting them back around the key aperture.
M

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Replied by Delbourt on topic Vibrating Instrument binnacle cure

Posted 2 years 2 weeks ago #207467
Hmm, I don’t have much luck with plastic bits. But the thought of bonding on additional stiffeners is interesting.
Might consider bonding on some extra “stuff” at the front end with the thought of a few more holes and pegs if I could think of a means of alignment.

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Replied by David Aiketgate on topic Vibrating Instrument binnacle cure

Posted 2 years 2 weeks ago #207470

Airportable wrote: Oh & the nacelles (nice use of the correct terminology), just worry the buggers until they come apart. You have gravity on your side when they are coming off, wait until you’re putting them back around the key aperture.
M

As long as you've remembered to take the screws out, that is...

David
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