Can a faulty fuel pressure regulator cause a no start

Can a faulty fuel pressure regulator cause a no start was created by djkeenan

Posted 8 months 4 weeks ago #204173
My car cranks but doesn't start. I've checked ignition and I've checked fuel pump is supplying by filling up a measuring jug. I've had the fuel rail out today and confirmed the injectors all have the same resistance (15.2 ohms) and they are firing (fired them onto some a4 paper). Put the fuel rail back together and car starts immediatly. Revved it and all sounded good with all pistons firing. Turned car off and back on and is back to cranking with no start.

Thinking an empty fuel rail caused the fuel pressure regulator to allow enough fuel into the car to start it. How can I confirm something is up with the fuel pressure regulator?

Engine is an MGF 1.8 MPI mems3 from 2001

Edit: should add the car starts for a second if I spray easy start spray into the intake.
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Replied by Airportable on topic Can a faulty fuel pressure regulator cause a no start

Posted 8 months 4 weeks ago #204176
Experimenting with an adjustable fuel pressure regulator is one of the jobs on my to do list. I’ve had a flat spot ever since I’ve had the car & my box of sensors, replaced in an attempt to cure the problem, attests to the tenacity with which I’ve tried to rectify it.
The FPR forms part of the fuel circuit; the pump lifts fuel into the fuel rail, which is common to all the injectors. The injectors meter the fuel when required by the ECU & the excess is returned to the tank via the regulator. In a closed system it doesn’t really matter where the regulator is, the pressure is dictated by the setting & that setting should remain constant.
I can’t see any reason for the regulator to work cold but not hot, the unit is little more than a spring acting on a diaphragm & when the pressure is reached the valve opens & fuel is returned to the tank.
This, at least is how I understand it & it’s this information on which I’m basing my adjustable system.
Any advance on this anyone?
M

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Replied by djkeenan on topic Can a faulty fuel pressure regulator cause a no start

Posted 8 months 4 weeks ago #204181
"I can’t see any reason for the regulator to work cold but not hot, the unit is little more than a spring acting on a diaphragm & when the pressure is reached the valve opens & fuel is returned to the tank."

I hear what you're saying but maybe this isn't a problem caused by overheating but caused by a certain situation i.e. the fuel system doesn't work properly if its primed after the engine being run recently. Something is not resetting to default causing the fuel to not get to the engine?

What's frustrating is the fuel was spraying every time I cranked the injectors while outside of the engine. I can only presume something is different inside the piston heads. Although I would assume the pressure in the head is very much the same as outside the engine block when first cranking?
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Replied by Airportable on topic Can a faulty fuel pressure regulator cause a no start

Posted 8 months 4 weeks ago #204182
For my upcoming experiments with the adjustable FPR I bought, off eBay, a fuel rail complete with the regulator, which will be discarded for the experiment & replaced by a blank. This cost me £10, although there were others available for quite a lot more, they are out there & that was only a couple of weeks ago. Have a look, your luck will be every bit as good as mine. And as with all these things keep us informed.
M

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Replied by Airportable on topic Can a faulty fuel pressure regulator cause a no start

Posted 8 months 4 weeks ago #204183
Contact Darren at ‘Bitz in Glossop, a penny to a pound he’ll have some spare & he may also be able to give you a pointer to your problem.
There are few who have the single minded reputation with supply of parts, repair & restoration of our cars.
M

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Replied by djkeenan on topic Can a faulty fuel pressure regulator cause a no start

Posted 8 months 4 weeks ago #204190
I've just had a thought. Clamp the fuel return line (like you would when replacing brakes) and see if that gets the engine to start. I'm gonna try it tomorrow. Maybe not full clamp but enough to artificially increase pressure. You said it doesn't matter where the fuel pressure valve is located so I'll clamp just after the fpr.

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Replied by Airportable on topic Can a faulty fuel pressure regulator cause a no start

Posted 8 months 4 weeks ago #204192
I’m an experimenter & not a pundit, my experimentation is based on knowledge gained over years of interest in a number of fields & is inspired by the work of others much in the ways my experiments have inspired.
I would be reluctant to close off the return feed as this would increase the line pressure to that capable of being supplied by the pump, that could easily damage the pump & injectors.
I would advocate caution
M

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Replied by djkeenan on topic Can a faulty fuel pressure regulator cause a no start

Posted 8 months 3 weeks ago #204215
I used caution and only 3/4 clamped it with some mole grips. Did not fix.

Also tried disconnecting the Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) sensor and the Idle Air Control (IAC) valve to put the engine into limp mode in case one of these was the problem. No fix. I did note the quiet, high pitched whine when an MG's engine is off (key removed), comes from the IAC valve. Does your engine do this?

Dunno what to do next as I don't think it's a compression problem as engine runs fine once its going. I'm gonna have a look for oil in the combustion cylinder and double check i'm still getting a strong spark when cranking a second time.

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Replied by djkeenan on topic Can a faulty fuel pressure regulator cause a no start

Posted 1 month 1 week ago #206771
I'm gonna scrap it. Tried all sorts of things to get it going. Its a shame. The engine is new and so is the fuel pump. Tested the engine and the chambers all throw out 135psi exact. Scrap man is gonna get a bargain :(
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Replied by Notanumber on topic Can a faulty fuel pressure regulator cause a no start

Posted 1 month 1 week ago #206772
Or why not advertise it as a non runner and let another enthusiast have a go.

Whereabouts is the car ?

2003 TF 135 sunstorm

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Replied by Cobber on topic Can a faulty fuel pressure regulator cause a no start

Posted 1 month 1 week ago #206773
It most certainly will be something very simple.
The problem may be an intermittent fault, which behaves itself when you test it, but not when you go to start it.
In that case it's probably a shitty wiring connection, that make connection when you disturb it, but breaks down when sitting normally. A crap HT lead can do this.
Has it had a PScan diagnosis?

I understand if you've had enough but Instead of banging it out to the scrappy, do as Not a number has suggested and offer it for sale as is.
Put a price on it and who knows one of the members here might take it on.

"Keep calm, relax, focus on the problem & PULL THE BLOODY TRIGGER"

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Replied by Airportable on topic Can a faulty fuel pressure regulator cause a no start

Posted 1 month 1 week ago #206774
Have you had analytical gear on the car, pscan being the obvious option? If you have spark & fuel & both occur at the appropriate moment you will get it to fire, if it’s not firing one of the three is not correct.
If you give it a squeg of easy start & it coughed a bit, you have spark, if you drench yourself in fuel once the injector is out then that checks out.
That leaves timing, it’s surprising how far out timing can be & still an engine will run, it wants to run right up to the time when the valves hit the piston crown.
But will that engine start?
If easy start is washing around in the cylinder when a spark occurs it will pop & splutter until it is burned but is this enough to maintain if fuel isn’t being injected at the correct moment.
I’m sure you must have followed this train of thought, but one more run through might just trigger a fresh idea.
M

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