Brake pipe flares
i need to replace a fitting involving cutting off the flare as close to the end as possible and create a new flare.
At the moment Im working out how to stem the flood of fluid probably involving a blanking plug at the ABS.
Removing the pipe in one piece looks impossible and it was probably one of the first things fitted during the assembly on the line.
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When I removed my Proportioning valve I had to change from a single flare to a double to fit the connector to join the pipes together and I had to make one pipe up from copper and borrow a really expensive German flaring tool from a local garage to do the steel pipe on the car.. My basic tool does copper but wouldn't look at steel ...so be wary of cutting the end off.
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The problem is that the route is entangled with some of the other pipes at the ABS.
It will be impossible to lift the calliper end out without removing all sorts including the servo.
The options are renew the whole length in Cu/Ni but in at least two pieces,
Cut it at some convenient point and join in a new bit in Cu/Ni
The last option and perhaps second choice involves flaring a steel tube.
Therefore if cutting and flaring a steel tube why not cut off the end and renew the flare.
Just need a good tool to do that. I have measured the tube OD and it looks an odd size 4.9mm or 0.1925”
Im open to any good ideas.
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Can anyone confirm that or know differently please?
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First thing to say is that with experimentation and time I believe it is possible to extract the pipe from the ABS unit to the front near side calliper “in one”
After pushing and twisting and eventually pushing it to the offside so that it could be extracted from the rest of the bunch at the ABS I managed to get enough out of the wheel arch and rotate the end to get a good visual inspection rather than cut it off and renew the flare in-situ with the words of wisdom from “TA22GT” ringing in my ears.
After a little cleaning up the end appears to be formed such that the very central section contacts the female part (in this case the hose) before the outer ring which all might be clearer if seen in the attached image.
So in my opinion this end flare and fitting is “fit for service” or at least a trial as in service it is only the inner ring of the cone around the bore that appears to have been making the seal.
If others think not I’ll be interested to hear more and why. It is important to get this right.
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If they are sound they tend to stay sound and checking them after a run if there is no leak it usually means all good.
On the steel pipe I flared on the car I checked it for a few days because it wasn't the perfect flare I can get with copper. It has remained tight.
I would be at least trying that pipe and if it holds brake pressure initially it won't suddenly not...meaning if it doesn't hold it will be a weep and not a catastrophe.
Others may differ.
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So it’s going to get a trial.
If it weeps I at least know or think I can remove the tube/pipe in one piece to use as a template. The trick to getting it virtually out was to first of all “persuade” it to duck under one of the other brake pipes and move it further to the offside of the car then wriggle it out from one of the others feeding the rear.
As an aside i could see no pressure balance valve. I suspect that feature is eliminated by the ABS being present (and that probably means that for optimum performance it will be best to continue to upgrade the rear brakes after completing the front.
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This is where it is situated on non ABS cars.
The connector attached to the copper brake pipe and joining on to the steel pipe is where it would sit.
Good luck!
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I can’t see a better option unless Im missing something when fitted with the 304 2 pot.
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