We will never agree on this one & that's fine, however when you say that I've completely missed the point, I fear you may not be used to my Style. I was not implying that it was you who were opinionated, I was turning the lens on myself, self deprecation is my stock in trade & not only on here, my tongue is firmly in my cheek for the most part. I've spent my life doing serious stuff, thus I see my retirement as a time to laugh, joke & generaly taking the piss. Where there's a signicant divergence is the choice of B&C as your bell wether; general auction values are also published on the Internet & some of these are an aggregations of a number. The price / cost of a car will always find a level & that depends on the buyers, an auction is the pressure cooker of car prices which depress prices & that's because the sale prices are governed solely by buyers, there's no interplay between buyer & seller, one should be working to buy for as little as possible the sellers aim should be the maximum. And if that's not an opinium what is?